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That's why democrats need to talk about voter suppression but in 2016 the message that we got was if you talk about voter suppression, that actually supresses the vote. i think that democrats actually need to rework that messaging in 2018 and 2020. >> charlie, a second ago you talked about the separation of powers and the checks and balances in government. why don't republicans -- if donald trump doesn't stand for a lot of what they stand for, tariffs, the positions on russia, et cetera, why don't they band together and form more of a, i don't know, a human wall against what they don't agree w...

>> let's get to that big question, julie. who benefits more, america or russia? is there an argument to be made that if everybody starts spending more that benefits america more we look stronger, i don't know, or is it more of the argument that if nato is antagonized, if nato is undercut as david was just pointing out, if the authority of that organization doesn't stand in the way that it once was, does it help russia more and if so, how exactly does it help russia more? what does russia want out of this? >> well, at the end of the day we want to ask our european allies to spend more on defens...

I'm saying 10% to 20%. >> nick? >> i think it's 5% to 10%. i think the probability of this is quite low. that singapore summit was basically a short meeting with a photo opp, remarkably thin on substance, and it just doesn't stand to reason that north korea would give up its nuclear weapons for us. that's its insurance policy. the chinese don't appear to be pushing the north koreans and they have the most influence. >> wow. so the president after the singapore summit says the threat is over, and phil mudd, you don't even get him over the mendoza line, and nick burns, you say that he's only got...

Choice. i'm saying 10% to 20%. >> nick? >> i think it's 5% to 10%. i think the probability of this is quite low. that singapore summit was basically a short meeting with a photo opp, remarkably thin on substance, and it just doesn't stand to reason that north korea would give up its nuclear weapons for us. that's its insurance policy. the chinese don't appear to be pushing the north koreans and they have the most influence. >> wow. so the president after the singapore summit says the threat is over, and phil mudd, you don't even get him over the mendoza line, and nick burns, you say that he's ...

Marinating in hatred. both republicans and democrats. honestly, what does the democratic party stand for this year? nothing except hating trump. which is understandable. but -- and the republican party doesn't stand -- the republicans are doing nothing on capitol hill. they're not interested in doing anything except rubbing liberals' noses in people that they find odious. >> but the problem is if somebody like don blangenship actually gets the nomination, he's going to go exactly the way roy moore did and he's going to lose. >> i don't know about that. >> all these people that want to win are ...