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>> you think illegal immigrants are taking the jobs that are here? >> chris, where you are in new york, your mayor and your governor, who happens to be your brother, both of them want to get rid of i.c.e. >> that's not true. >> if that's not open borders, i don't know what is. that is true. your brother called i.c.e. a bunch of thugs. he called them a bunch of thugs. >> some democrats do want to get rid of i.c.e.. the governor is not one of them. he may have other problems. that's not one of them. >> he called them a bunch of thugs. regardless, there are prominent democratic politicians who wa...

Legal immigration only. >> steve, thank you very much. simone, appreciate it. all right. that's a hot topic and i'll tell you what, it's not about policy, it's not really just about law. why doesn't steve want to talk about the 5-year-old? why? bad optics. this is about culture, okay. that's what the immigration issue is about. it's not just about the law. don't make it so simplistic. nobody wants illegal immigration to be the main way into this country. everybody thinks if you break the law you have to be dealt with. the system is broken, it has to be better, but it's about culture, not jus...

>> it's obviously not working. we all agree on that. the question is how to fix it. steve, you want to poke at the left and say they don't want the right things. you're okay with a 5-year-old signing away your rights? are you okay with that? >> what i'm not okay with -- >> no, no, no, are you okay with a 5-year-old signing away her rights? >> is the adult who brought that 5-year-old? no, i'm not okay with the adult who brought that 5-year-old taking them to a sovereign border and demanding that they can come into the united states. >> they were asking for asylum. you process those people. her ...

To, we cannot have an honest conversation when folks are using dehumanizing language such as that that steve cortez just used. the facts of the matter are this. >> what language did i use that's dehumanizing? >> you called folks illegal. you said they never belong here in the first place. and my question to you is -- >> they don't belong here in the first place. >> steve, if it was -- >> put it to to the side, i'm glad you asked. american citizens get to decide. we can decide. that's not racist and it's not sen o xenophobe i can. i'm an hispanic. we get to decide who belongs in this country, w...

>> optimism is not a lie. is that what optimism means, steve? you're making stuff up. simone, who is a major candidate in your races right now who is saying, i want open borders, there should be no -- quiet now. you said -- you said open borders -- you said that's what you're saying. pick your poison. simone, who on the democratic side, i'll give you the benefit of the doubt, steve. i'm in a charitable mood. who on this side has been saying we should have the least restrictions possible, i want as much flow into the country as possible, no matter who they are or where they're from? what democr...