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The rich curriculum. do science experiments, be on a sports team, take karate or have dance. those are things we've been fighting for in public schools for eons. to me, if you have a failing school, closing it down or replacing it with a selective school that kicks out special needs students doesn't solve the problem. >> there's also a competition and also innovation argument. right? which is that these can be laboratories for figuring stuff out. that you can't with the big bureaucracy. that doesn't strike me as -- >> we see most of the experimenting has to do with increasing the pressure to r...

Negotiating with the automobile manufacturers and then you get detroit where there's no jobs and the city goes bankrupt. this is different. this is government imposition of higher wages. >> absolutely. >> at average that's the point. across the country, you know, wal-marts have opened up, they have provided jobs and have provided consumers with opportunities to buy things that they may never have been able to buy before, and it feels like the elitists just don't make that connection. >> i don't think we need to, you know, debate -- glorify walmart or attack walmart. >> who is glorifying it? >>...