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Fighting for in public schools for eons. to me, if you have a failing school, closing it down or replacing it with a selective school that kicks out special needs students doesn't solve the problem. >> there's also a competition and also innovation argument. right? which is that these can be laboratories for figuring stuff out. that you can't with the big bureaucracy. that doesn't strike me as -- >> we see most of the experimenting has to do with increasing the pressure to raise test scores and everything that goes along with that. i don't see these -- the charter schools that i've seen with m...

The rich curriculum. do science experiments, be on a sports team, take karate or have dance. those are things we've been fighting for in public schools for eons. to me, if you have a failing school, closing it down or replacing it with a selective school that kicks out special needs students doesn't solve the problem. >> there's also a competition and also innovation argument. right? which is that these can be laboratories for figuring stuff out. that you can't with the big bureaucracy. that doesn't strike me as -- >> we see most of the experimenting has to do with increasing the pressure to r...