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Elusive, a little shifty. can you characterize his demeanor for us today, though? >> his demeanor today was what you saw on the white house lawn, what you saw before he was president, and what you've seen since then. it was i would say pugilistic, very strong effort to be contentious, but there wasn't really an issue about memory because he wasn't a direct eyewitness to what happened and the issue really for us is how his organization operates. he's the owner. he's the president. and in all different ways he's responsible for the conduct of the people in it. that's what was coming out today. t...

Official numbers were not reflecting the reality they were leaving. translation: the dead are being taken out of the hospital every day. people are admitted to the hospital every day and we know nothing. relatives wake up here in the cold and sometimes we don't get the full report, that's the truth. experts say that the discrepancy was mostly due to the fact that a death would be recorded as covid related only if the patient had been tested. the problem is that peru doesn't test that much, a lot of antibody tests and other quick tests have been used, and sensibility has been very low. the new ...

As covid—related only if the patient had been tested. the problem is that peru doesn't test that much, a lot of antibody tests and other quick tests have been used, and sensitivity has been very low. the new death toll could help understand better how the virus has spread in the country and how to prepare for future waves. but for frontline workers, the emergency is now, and they feel like they are losing this battle. translation: our health system does not meet the necessary conditions to care for patients. there has been no government support with oxygen, with intensive care beds. we do no...

Doesn't test that much. in other countries they do a lot of pcr tests which really prove that people are infected. the problem in peru is, you know, a lot of antibody tests have been used. certain criteria have been applied which go from looking at radiology imaging, people have died and somebody else in your family was infected. epidemiologists are proving its, and certain kinds of pneumonia that could fall into that. it of pneumonia that could fall into that. , of pneumonia that could fall into that-— into that. it is certainly a key move _

Here's one of the members of the task force behind the revised death toll, patrick wieghardt the death toll is probably the most important indicator of the pandemic. it tells you how the pandemic has put progressing, you, it is the best indicator. so it is really a very important figure to know how to plan in the future, to plan in the present and how to go forward. the problem is that peru doesn't test that much. countries like the uk or the united states, they actually do a lot of molecular tests, pcr tests, which really prove that there is, that people are infected. the problem in peru is t...