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So to an extend, this isn't like something that nobody knows about, that this is a huge organization with many tentacles across the globe and across our country. and isn't that not surprising in light of 9/11? >> it's exactly right. after 9/11, essentially we threw money at this problem. we threw people at this problem and we threw buildings at this problem but it was done without a plan. it just happened and happened and happened. this is the new national security state. we had one national security state for the cold war and things after 1947 the post-9/11 national security state is what "th...

♪ ♪ if you want it here it is come and get it ♪ ♪ >> welcome to "morning joe." 30 past the hour. time for a quick look at our top stories. iraqi security forces are on high alert today reeling from one of the deadliest days in iraq this year. yesterday, at least 48 people died when suicide bombers went after former insurgents who were switch sides to fight alongside american forces. most of the victims were killed by a bomber who struck a line of anti-al qaeda/sunni fighters waiting to collect paychecks and comes at a critical time in iraq with the government stuck in a plol impasse....

Bomber speak to this a little bit? you can have all of the bureaucracy in the world and build all of these buildings but if a guy puts gasoline and fertilizer in a car and drives to times square and information not shared about the guy what is it all for? >> we made it worse. after 9/11, we layered the problem. it's exactly what business tells you not to do. american business is going in the direction of flattening. government is going in the opposite direction of flattening. we're actually increasing the layers of bureaucracy and the numbers of organization. >> i want to talk about what is su...