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Additionally as i discussed this idea that they cleared people, they could have had a consultation to sort of assess whether executive privilege might be in play before individual officials including don macon, georgia began actual -- don mcgahn went in to talk to mueller. that leaves no clue what was talked about. that, to me, was the beginning of the revelation for the rest of us just how bad of a job these folks were doing. as to betsy's point whether they could retroactively assert privilege on some of the things don mcgahn told them, i also think that that is misguided. it's almost like...

The law. frankly we have to take up that challenge and run with it. >> that's certainly one to look at it. what was the last time a liberal supreme court justice turned conservative? has that ever happened? yet we can see time and time again -- >> oh, lots of times. suter, john paul stevens, blackmon. >> my point is you see a lot of republicans turn liberals. never see it the other direction. >> no, i've never seen that. well, frankfurter. >> that's going back quite a ways. how can the next republican president ensure that his nominee doesn't wind up david souter or john roberts? >> you can't....

What might, author of a new e-book entitled "election 2012: a time for choosing." tom bivin, welcome back to the show. >> tucker, good to be with you. >> tucker: you say the obama campaign is mounting a kitchen sink strategy against romney. what does that entail? >> the team obama always knew or thought, even from a year ago, that romney was going to be the earlier this spring, as it became more and more clear that romney was going to be the republican nominee they had this discussion about how they want to go about framing the election against romney. the initial frame was he was going to be ...

>> they're after taxing america, and then they decide where the money goes. the other thing i also talk about in "screwed," is on july 27th, the arms trafficking treaty is going to be signed in new york city. >> yes. >> that treaty basically imposes international gun controls. why hasn't obama moved for gun control lately in his four-year term? >> right. >> he's doing it by treaty. >> because he doesn't need to. it's a stealth way to do it, and nobody's watching it. dick morris. >> read about it. it's important, because we'll have to fight against radfication of this treaty this year. >> exact...

What might, author of a new e-book entitled "election 2012: a time for choosing." tom bivin, welcome back to the show. >> tucker, good to be with you. >> tucker: you say the obama campaign is mounting a kitchen sink strategy against romney. what does that entail? >> the team obama always knew or thought, even from a year ago, that romney was going to be the earlier this spring, as it became more and more clear that romney was going to be the republican nominee they had this discussion about how they want to go about framing the election against romney. the initial frame was he was going to be ...