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And in the past when i've been there, they keep this dogma up. you get some concessions from them. but this time they were listening. and they were in a mood i believe where they felt, look, we've gone too far into the precipice of being totally isolated and know one's talking to us, no one's giving us any credit, maybe we're going to change. i think that's why they invited me there. i didn't go there to vacation. i was invited by their chief nuclear negotiator. the obama administration asked me twice before not to go in the past when things were really, really hot. and i didn't. but this time...

But it's still a tinder box out there. >> you say that you think your visit there was timely. and we would agree with that. we think it was so timely we'd like to see you permanently stationed in north korea, to stave off these problems when they arise. can you tell us a little bit about what the meetings were like? what did the environment feel like? were you ever scared? how did that feel to you? >> well, they're very -- the north koreans, we met with military officials, foreign ministry officials, the vice president of the country. they all start out giving their speech, their propaganda sp...