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Not winning they're a loser. this incompetent buffoon. mitt romney, i don't share his politics but the guy's an extremely accomplished successful, capable and smart individual. that's true of all sorts of people across account ideological spectrum. do you feel like you reclaimed doing this doing this with your dad, you reclaimed some sense of what value you have a person independent of whether you win or lose? >> we spent this fall going to football games. it's the first time i haven't spent a fall doing campaigns in a long time. not to the sort of value your own self-worth by the tracking num...

Spent a fall doing campaigns in a long time. not to the sort of value your own self-worth by the tracking numbers. it's a different experience. i had gone into a system where it was sort of like a high school football game, when you walked off the field, you knew you had succeeded by whether or not you won or lost. which is a somewhat shallow but fun way to live. >> it's concrete. >> what i like about campaigns is the winning or losing. it's more fun to win but it's that challenge. government never interested me. i was always a guy who if i had any use it was the taking of baghdad, not the run...