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Indicat complicated, and most people don't understand it but we are feeding the democrats issues. bill: you can likely be effective if you want to score some points. why are they advising rick perry to go this way? >> i think gingrich started it. this was one of the points in the opposition research that i saw four years ago when i was doing huckabee's campaign, and everybody else had him. romney got out of the race before anybody attacked him. he's advocated that as one of his strengths. he he has -pbt talked muc hasn't talked much about his four years as governor. he said he created jobs. so...

Bill: rick santorum, rick perry -- ron paul, and gingrich do they fracture a vote here in south carolina. >> they do. this is what happened to huckabee last tphaoeupl. huckabe time. huckabee and fred thompson fractured the vote. huckabee won the contest and there may not have been a presidential candidate john mccain. nobodyee merged as the conservative alternative. gingrich won by 49 votes over santorum. santorum didn't get the boost that you normally get out of iowa. one of these guys is going to be survive and be the conservative alternative. if they all end up back in the back in south car...