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Violent way. >> would they feel that way. >> i can't speak for all of black america and all of brown america or white america. >> bill: in your research. >> my research suggest to me that there has always been a link between poverty and crime. that's why dr. west and i have written this book because our very democracy is trend by poverty. we argue in this book that poverty is a matter of national security. we argue in the book that poverty isn't color coded. when one out of two americans is either in or near poverty, that's a societal crisis, bill. we are getting dangerously close to cementing...

And it was shoving, pushing, it was just like whoever is the stronger was surviving. about 150 feet, it took me six hours to get from the parking lot to the ticket counter. and it was -- it was a mess. it was a very extreme experience i had in my life that i'll never forget how people were struggling to get out. >> and gentlemen, both of you were doing work. one of you, cyrus, i believe, you were doing technology more so. and george, you were doing more the traditional infrastructure of roads and bridges. were you both doing work for the government? >> yes. >> yes. >> the government there. wel...

I've interviewed the mayor himself. he's talked about federal gun laws and things like that. ultimately that has been consistent over the period of time that we're talking, right? so what do you think is changing in this city? >> well, first of all, not true, for example, just on youth jobs. that's been cut, but we're not evading the issue, we haven't stopped doing work, we have a plan, we have a policing plan, we've invested in our officers, we've invested in technology, we've invested in training, the superintendent can talk to the details of how they're adjusting and changing policing to ad...