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That. i suppose it's a possibility. i can tell you their actions both during the time and after and since, including up until this time certainly doesn't indicate that was their motive. >> so you think it was a trap? >> i don't think it was a trap. i just think it was -- we don't know what it was. which is why we are asking the questions. give us some information. >> what about their actions seemed appropriate to you? meeting with carter page? george papadopoulos. >> i'm not confirming whether any of these reports are true. because we haven't seen any of the information. people ask me, can you...

Nothing or he has seen the facts and believes nothing is wrong. his belated referral so not news, it's a ruse. >> yeah. we'll see. i think it's a step forward. we'll see how big of a step forward. there's been a narrative that we want to know the individual or the source. we care not at all about who the individual is. we have not asked for information regarding him as all. we want underlying information. that's the thing that's important to us. we have not been able to see that yet. the department of the justice has denied that so us still. i don't know how anyone can say that's a good idea. ...

Real corruption was during the obama administration, not what he was doing. >> paul, during the clinton administration, which you worked for, did the chief of staff ever have ax to the to the information from the department of justice? >> no, absolutely not. this is unprecedented in the med earn era. this is exactly from the trump political play book. you begin with projection. i'm not a puppet. you're a puppet. he said ben carson wasn't a good christian? that's how he attacks. he deflects. something else to think about. this is what mandy carpenter wrote the book. trying to divert, distract, ...

This, the president of the united states pushing this on the department of justice. >> we have never had a department of justice who was so arrogantly pushing back saying we are not going answer your questions. i answer to the people. i answer to you. if they are not going to tell us, where does that leaf us as a country. i understand they want to protect the source. that's why the intelligence committee is a select committee. we have ax to some of the most classified information the department of justice or cia or any one of them have. we don't leak that. it's insincere so say we can't share ...

Do you worry about leaks coming out of that? should democrats and republicans be involved in that? >> we have been worried about leaks for a long, long time. i've spoken about it as have many others. this is the executive meeting with the doj, and giving them instructions so i think that's an important thing for them do. >> i want to bring in the rest of our panel. they have questions. gloria? >> congressman, are you willing to sort of believe the possibility at all that this informant might actually have been working to protect the trump campaign from any kind of infiltration? that that infor...