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It's that simple. let's turn now to harvard government professor steven lavinski and an argument that the most threat to american democracy is not another january 6th election but the possibility of a stolen election and they are also the authors of the 2018 book "how democracy die" and they are working on a follow-up. sad that we need a follow-up. daniel, let me star with you. with steven you wrote the book "how democracies die" as the doj memos show us on friday they usually don't die in civil wars do, they? they die in this kind of behind-at-scenes coordination between would-be autocrats in...

Pelosi and chuck schumer don't find a way to stop them, say good-bye to american democracy. it's that simple. let's turn now to harvard government professor steven lavinski who argue that the most threat to american democracy is not another january 6th attack but the possibility of a stolen election and they are also the authors of the 2018 book "how democracies die" and they are working on a follow-up. sad that we need a follow-up. daniel, let me star with you. with steven you wrote the book "how democracies die" as the doj memos show us on friday they usually don't die in civil wars do they?...

Disclosure of these doj memos and documents that bill barr used to rely on to say he wasn't going to prosecutor president trump. they're not appealing it all. they're releasing 1 1/2 pages of this documents, but there's nor documents than that. that's why you used the words scathele by judge jackson. he underread all the documents, and basically said bill barr and those in the justice department lied. strong words. it is surprising to me and unfortunate that the justice department is appealing this decision. i used to make those decision at the justice department. i get why they would do there...

Right? so that the doj policy that says a president can't be charged. well, the judge in this case that smacked down trump for trying to say that he is immune from any investigation, the judge in this case in this ruling also says those justice department memos shouldn't be seen as having, quote, substantial legal force. it says those memos, quote, do not constitute authoritative judicial interpretation of the constitution concerning these issues. the ruling says those doj memos are, quote, flawed by ambiguities if not outright conflicts. the ruling says that in short, quote, the court rejects...

Conflicts. the ruling says that in short, quote, the court rejects the justice department memos' position. by which the justice means specifically that this ruling rejects the position those memos take, which is the position that a president can't be criminally charged while in office. that whole idea that we have that the president can't be indicted, that comes from those doj memos, part of this ruling that is being appealed tomorrow is a ruling that says actually those doj memos shouldn't be enforced here. there shouldn't be a rule that says the president can't be indicted. that's crazy. tha...