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He's trying to push with republican leadership. back in 2005, george bush tried to do this and some say he wasted an entire year of his presidency and that's when harry reid was majority leader and harry reid didn't want to do it. as long as harry reid is in charge of the united states, i don't think he's going to -- >> saying that's very discouraging, as you look at the republican party and when they're making arguments about health care reform, they're attacking the democrats for attacking medicaid. how are we going to get -- >> i get it, but i feel like there's bigger issues, these trillion...

Thief, low class and common, and his behavior is crass. he doesn't even have the balls, frankly, to do this publicly. as far as i'm concerned, defund npr, and put that -- take that $2.4 million, and put that guy in jail. that would make me happy. >> now you sound like every grumpy old man at the dinner table in america with their own plan. >> good. >> we like you in that role. >> matt, let's talk about the microdebate, npr, $2 million, or $60 billion cuts. we've got -- we have trillion dollar problems. is this a deliberate attempt to distract the media and the american people to look to talk a...

>> you're right. npr is by no means going to fix -- >> anything. >> -- anything, but you have to understand conservatives, i think rightly so, are still upset over the liberal domination of the media that we really endured for, i don't know, the last four decades or something like that. very sensitive to issues. bleak, i agree, i don't think we should be funding npr. they should survive on donation and the free market. >> to do what they view as level win propagation. >> isn't it time for the libertarians and progressives, whatever other label may exist to man up and deal with the trillion dol...

Scorched-earth spending proposals that counts casualties such as border security, research and food safety. >> our president has failed to lead on this debate. >> i think it's out of control, and needs plan will do anything to significantly alter things. >> well, another day fighting a false budget debate chock-full of false solutions, but lots of political manipulations. republicans hitting democrats for not cutting enough, democrats says rpg are chopping too much. when the fact is both bills have one thing in common. the cuts are a drop in the bucket when it comes to the budget-busting probl...

>> thank you for having me. >> perhaps you can answer this question. i feel like i'm watching a debate that proposes million and billion solutions, 2 million i think is what npr gets, the best rep proposal i think is a $60 billion cut. meanwhile, you and i both know, congressman, we have trillion dollar problems. do you have any insight to what can be done to get the political class to address or trillion dollar -- i don't care what it is, health care, energy, war, banks, trading, instead of just sort of playing these million and billion games when we have trillion dollar problems. >> we have ...