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-- it would be like every american getting an 8% increase each year. so the penny plan is you drop a pen out of every dollar washington spends, every year for five years. i think the american people would get it because they live that life. and i think it would be good to finally get us some balance. >> everybody is subject to exactly the same discipline. every department down a penny in every dollar for five straight years. everybody, across the board. this is the budget. live with it. now -- that is discipline. >> i kind of like that. the other thing i like about this deal, i would turn to y...

Nondefense, $520 billion in defense -- >> well, wait, it says sequestration relief does not mean that some spending -- >> well, sequestration has -- >> that is cutting -- >> built in, but they have relieved that. >> if you relieve it, that means you put some spending back in. >> but remember, the sequestration was arbitrary, it basically said we can't come to an agreement so here is the cuts. and the military took it on the chin. >> but it did give us some discipline we didn't have before. >> but that is why i think it gets fought out in the 2010 mid-term election. if people really want change...

Built-in increases like every american getting an 8% increase every year. the penny plan, drop a dollar out of every dollar washington spends every year and i think america would love it because they live that life and get us in balance. >> everybody is subject to the same discipline. every department down one penny and every dollar for five straight years, everybody, across the board. this is this budget, live with it. that's discipline. >> i kind of like that. the only thing i like about this deal, i would turn to you for commentary on this, for the business community, it does give them a li...

This fiscal cliff -- and i put the blame squarely on the president. he's been awol on this issue for the last three years. now he's coming in and waving a flag, trying to take the glory, put the burden on republicans. republicans have been willing to negotiate. if he doesn't come forward and provide real leadership, we go off the cliff, the economic disaster that we're going to see is going to be squarely on the shoulders of this president. >> sean: i would like to adopt something like the mac penny plan. cut one penny out of every dollar washington spends, and we move to a balanced budget. wi...

This fiscal cliff -- and i put the blame squarely on the president. he's been awol on this issue for the last three years. now he's coming in and waving a flag, trying to take the glory, put the burden on republicans. republicans have been willing to negotiate. if he doesn't come forward and provide real leadership, we go off the cliff, the economic disaster that we're going to see is going to be squarely on the shoulders of this president. >> sean: i would like to adopt something like the mac penny plan. cut one penny out of every dollar washington spends, and we move to a balanced budget. wi...