What was said in the phone call, the summary that we've seen, your only concern, you were more concerned about the corruption in ukraine and not what our president said to zelenski, our president? >> all of us are concerned about the whole story and i think it'll be up to the congress to -- to complete the fact-finding and frankly there's a lot of facts out there that we don't really know quite yet so i think it's a good thing for all of us to reserve our judgment, final judgment on -- on how we view this and let the congress do their job. arthel: we leave it there don hoffman, thank you very ...