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Roger's charges, let's be clear, seven counts direct live relalyo this investigation, like scooter libby. nothing like gates with financial issues, nothing like flynn, with work he did outside for donald. >> rick gates, george papadopoulos. >> michael cohen is in jail because he committed tax fraud, didn't pay taxes for four years. there's nothing he hthat has to with anything he did for donald. >> f good point. >> do the d.o.j. people feel it's fair? no. too bad. >> sam numberg, always good to have you. >>to thank you.

It. >> this is a man again who you said is a surrogate father. do you think he had at all regrets lying to congress? >> no. i'll tell you why. because he feels twofold. he has an undying loyalty to donald. i don't think it'slt deserved. i don't think anybody should have an undying loyalty to donald. >> why does he havelt that loyalty? >> you can talk to him about it. i argued with him about it during the campaign. i looked at the grand jury and said roger committed to crimes, by the way. i instructed roger, i argued to roger for three reasons, i said i understand you want the publicity. don't ...

The last was about comments he made to randy. and randy said in cross-examination to believe that roger was going to do anything to randy's dog, he had made some kind of threat. i don't believe that roger was really conniving or colluding with him. the bottom line is they mishandled this from the very beginning. roger was not in the position -- by the way, i do believe roger spoke to the trump campaign. i do believe roger spoke directly to donald strump. the problem is is that donald trump cannot have somebody saying to him -- cannot have somebody publicly saying, yes, we spoke about wikileaks...

Yet he continues to dominate news of the campaign. his trance gestion e gregss caused the plunge and his pool numbers eagerly anticipated. the irooney is several candidates if theory could be formidable in the general election. but the process of quelling the trump-led insurgency is already boxing the whole field into absolutist positions that will be difficult for the eventual nominee to soften t. longer chaos reigns i believe the less room the gop candidate will have to maneuver. barnacle take it to gene. >> well, gene, let's start with topic a. rarco rubio and abortion. is moreco rubio depe...

Friends think they know better than us and have to tell us how we live our looifrs. that's not the way america is supposed to work. the people are supposed to tell the politicians what they do. to do that, don, you have to do three things. you have to win. i know if i get the opportunity to lead my party, i can win in the united states. and then you have to change government. and i did it overwhelpingly with a 2-to-1 state house in democratic hands. so you have to win. i can do that. you have to change governing, privilege privilege bringing people together across party lines. i'm the person w...