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Security bill that doesn't include concessions. >> it's not actually pragmatic. then you have him -- he's also struck a very different, i think, tone on the trail about immigration. now you have him with his donor buddy, who he and marco are bonding over immigration. and basically this guy is confiding in you like, if we get rubio in there, it's going to happen. >> i talked to a half dozen republican fund raisers, contributors, big people in the republican money world who have been courted by rubio and his campaign. what they told me is that, when he's in the closed door meetings with donors a...

It's the andimateing -- >> he said the way to do this is we do a series of small, bite-size bills, the first one has to be border security. he goes step by step. what he says is this is the more realistic, pragmatic way to do immigration reform where there's no way democrats would ever vote for just a security bill that did not include reforms. >> and he's also struck a very different tone on the trail about immigration. now you've got him with his donor buddy, who he and marco are bonding over immigration and basically this guy is confiding in you like if we get rubio in there, it's going to ...