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Seasoned campaign and not rely on himself and his florida kitchen cabinet and that is the worry. they look at missteps, the abortion issue, they would consider other things, the ukraine flip-flop. he needs someone to hone his message and listen to. it is unclear if that will happen. they are telling me they think he is ready to run. if you look at state-by-state matchups, it is possible. if you look at the man who was behind in polls, he started building up momentum. with the donor class, they are worried they need somebody with chops directing the ship and he

Remember. the donor class does not know politics. they know money. >> they like china too, don't they? >> we have to go to 270. witch candidate can get to 270? charlie and john, good to see you guys. all of that will have to be released to the public. the documents released must happen now. the manifesto was written we were promised to see at least part of it. we haven't heard anything about it. why hasn't the public seen any of this. it's been a month since the national shooting. i am asking the same question. where is the manifesto? here's a partial list of what police took from the shoote...

>> yeah, i agree with all of that but, ron desantis problem is much more immediate. i do not know that he is going to be able to get to a general election and less he can figur out the problems that he faces now including about how do you win a republican nomination if you are not willing to take on donald trump's rea vulnerabilities. now he has been testing ou some messages. he ran a negative ad around th nra convention he attacked donald trump for being a gun grabber. he attacked donald trump for attacking him. none of those i think have gotten him any tractio whatsoever and again, this is s...

Rachel: exactly. >> a lot has changed. >> independents are important. have you to be able to win independent as well. >> not in a primary you don't. >> i don't know republican leaning independents, i'm not sure what that -- >> depends each state, whether you caucus or vote. rachel: what should ron de santis do now in the new environment of post the indictment. >> he's in a bit of a -- he's super popular in florida. the donor class wants him to run. there's been some -- there's some inside reporting that his retail politicking is not what people who like it to be, he's not a big interpersonal s...

Stuff, and people are shaking their head, this is what you're going to put him in jail for? energizes the base, it is roiling the donor class because hay desperately want a ron desantis the, a youngkin, somebody else other than trump because they believe trump can't win. it's really an amazing situation that's going on here right now in the republican party. it's -- if you believe the donor class and their semi-conspiracy theory, i quite don't think it's that much of a conspiracy, but the theory here, alvin bragg politically played this brilliantly. he literally took a republican party that wa...