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rachel: exactly. >> a lot has changed. >> independents are important. have you to be able to win independent as well. >> not in a primary you don't. >> i don't know republican leaning independents, i'm not sure what that -- >> depends each state, whether you caucus or vote. rachel: what should ron de santis do now in the new environment of post the indictment. >> he's in a bit of a -- he's super popular in florida. the donor class wants him to run. there's been some -- there's some inside reporting that his retail politicking is not what people who like it to be, he's not a big interpersonal skills guy. he's personally of the maga movement. there's no doubt, we don't have ron de santis without the maga movement. how do you try to take down the guy who is like the moses of the maga movement, while also raising yourself up without you offending the base who is offended by the fact that donald trump has been indicted and attacked for six years before he
governor of virginia. >> glenn youngkin. rachel: kind of pretty much a stop on anything, any plans. >> and that number is -- that poll also came after -- i'm a big fan of ron de santis the. it came after his soft rollout and he went to key early states and started dipping his toe in the water, kind of came out on both sides of the ukraine issue, him talking about trump and the indictment wasn't helpful so this is in response to what was a shaky rollout and you add the indictment on top of it, could it be higher than 30 points? we don't know. there's no doubt he's the frontrunner. rachel: yeah. cnn's poll, do we have it here, it says 40% to 36% but this poll is a tricky poll because it's not a republican poll. it's not a primary poll. it includes leaning independent, leaning republican independents and so this is a poll that cnn turned out but -- >> it's also a month old.
think it's been really painful for him to see what's happened sin he left the presidency. that said, he's absolutely right. he's changed the republican party, the donor class, it's having to catch up philosophically and politically to what he's done to the party and a he didn't seem to get really hurt by the -- at all, in fact, i think it made him stronger, the indictment here in new york. >> let's show the audience niece numbers. we were doing the time line. this is a fox news poll. these numbers are from before the indictment in new york. >> correct. >> he's at 54% compared to ron de santis' 24%. now again, we saw a surge last summer after the raid on mar-a-lago from trump's polling numbers. these are in the public response to the indictment in new york. >> not yet. >> because we don't know, you can try to spin it either way if you want. but judging from the past, it probably would lead to a rally from donald trump. rachel: it's led people to drop out. pompeo dropped out and the
ran, while he ran and after he ran. you're running against the most powerful political movement the country has seen in a generation. >> it's just undeniable. and how do you do that? do you do it by tiptoeing? by atacking? attacking didn't work well in 2016. rachel: the soft position on ukraine i think was really -- i think people were expecting ron de santis to come out with a really clear -- that was a question, what is his foreign policy. he seemed to try to cut it both ways and i think it turned a lot of people off. i think frankly a lot of republicans are turned off by the ukraine war and the lack of transparency and what it's done with china and so forth. so i don't know. >> it's not easy. >> you're the one that told he me this week, you don't pick a moment, the moment picks you. rachel: that's exactly true. >> there's a lot of mom momentr there was a lot of momentum shoving ron de santis into this moment. i don't know. rachel: maybe something stopped the momentum. alvin bragg did it. >> might be. >> might be. >> all right.