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Is dissatisfied with this field and doesn't think anybody if can beat donald trump. the question is, is that the voters in hawaii, new hampshire -- in iowa, new hampshire on the ground or is that the donor class and the elites? >> a little bit of both. i think the donor class particularly is worried about elizabeth warren being so far left on me ca care for all, on taxation issues. but i also think there are voters out there in the country that look at biden and kind of like him but think he's just not in his prime anymore and are worried about warren. they're looking for someone else, and tha...

Will run. that is certainly part of this. and i would say the kind of broader african-american donor class, too, john, sort of looking at the candidates out there and i think deval is someone that can be very appealing to those folks. >> very quick last question. rudy giuliani considering a podcast. you are a multimedia mogul. how good of an idea is it for the president's lawyer to launch a podcast about impeachment? >> so i am not, to my mother's chagrin, i'm not a lawyer, but if i was a lawyer, and i can imagine anyone who is a lawyer would tell rudy giuliani, this is a bad idea. more talkin...

Of the day, one of the best ways that continues to earn a vote is by looking someone in the eye, shaking their hand and asking for their vote. digital is great, digital helps. it works. it's important. but he has to build an organization where other people have been doing the work all along. and also the other thing that people are underselling is the polling says that actually most democratic voters are happy with the field of candidates. there is some angst around the edges, but i would argue a lot of the angst is coming from a segment of the donor class. i think the donor class is portrayed...

Fact that these are a bunch of donors. i have been in democratic politics for over 20 years, and i am so frustrated and annoyed constantly with the donor class trying to dictate what's going to happen on the ground because they're the ones spending the dollars. the truth is just go to iowa and you can see where the energy is on the ground. a lot of that energy is for elizabeth warren, pete buttigieg is getting a lot of energy, amy klobuchar says people are now with her. i think this idea that the donor class needs to hand pick somebody else is extremely problematic, and frankly part of why hil...

Leftover funds from her 2018 senate campaign to underwrite her 2020 run, a portion of which was raised from the donor class she's now running against. kathy? >> she's going to be just fine. where these democratic donors going to go? they're not going to go with trump? they're going to end up withthe. so, i spoke with the wall street republican who is one of the best sources. this is a quote, trump is bankrupting the country morally and fiscally. so, at the end of the day, do you sleep at night? these are all still people, they're all still humans. do you sleep better at night with trump runnin...