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Pushed myself to imagine a future with donald trump as president, and what it would mean for the soul of try. so let's talk about it now with you. thank you. 0 days in, governor. you're still governor of one of the great states. you went to the ohio state university. >> i did. >> where i was lucky to get an honorary degree. >> really? oh, you were a speaker? >> that's how you do it. you have to earn these. >> how did you do? >> i did pretty good. 60,000 people. let's talk about you. i think you -- and i've said this on the show without you blushing here. i thought you're the perfect alternativ...

Money back? they said, well, if we did that, they might give it back to shareholders. i said, well, that's not a horrible thing. >> you're a trade guy and a fiscal responsibility guy, and i know a lot of things about you which i think you were at all middle of the road, you'd say, yeah, i like that. let me ask you about manners. you were the only guy to get through that trump jamboree that went on for months without getting a nickname. he seemed to have avoided you. what was that about? how did you keep him from attacking in a personal way? the other guys were lyin' ted and little marco, very ...

People who were hurting were looking for a strongman. >> could you have beaten hillary? >> you know what the polls showed. the polls showed that i -- >> you could have beat him in the general? >> that's what everything looked like. >> you think biden could have beaten trump? >> it would have been an interesting rate and i think he could have. part of the reason why trump won is not just because of how he campaigned. i was amazed, chris, at how many people did not like hillary. i never talked -- >> when did you first notice that? early on or later? i learned it later on. ? >> i think i got it l...

I would have to dislearn everything i learned in 40 years -- >> the republican party of philadelphia would disagree. they looked into the allegations in 2012 and said there was nothing irregular. yes, there are areas where people only voted for obama just like in utah there are places that only voted for mitt romney. >> maybe there are situations in which it's right. i remember a case when i was associate attorney general where 720 dead people voted in chicago in the 1982 election. i remember in my own election about 60 dead people voted. so i can't sit here and tell you that they don't cheat....

>> so he's not talking about elections being stolen except in some cases when he is talking about elections being stolen. >> i would be -- you want to say i think the election in fld a philadelphia and chicago is going to be fair? i'd be a moron to say that. i'd dislearn everything i learned in 40 years. >> people in philadelphia looked into the allegations from 2012 and they said there was nothing irregular with what happened. yes, there are areas where people only voted for obama, just like in utah. places only voted for romney. >> maybe there are situations in which it is right. i remember ...