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Topic of conversation and i've shown myself willing to engage all of the parties involved every leader on every issue. >> and that is plies no matter how long the time frame is? >> the only thing that i will say is we are not going to pay a ransom for america paying it's bills. that is something that should be non gauchable and everybody should agree on that. one of the most valuable things that we have is america's credit wort worthiness. >> this is not something that we should come close to fooling around with. we should test it out. let's take default out for a spin and see how it rides. an...

Part of it. there is no reason why, if in fact republicans are serious about wanting to negotiate. wanting to have a conversation and wanting to talk. there is no reason why you have to have that threat looming over the conversations. think about it, the only reason the republicans have held out on negotiations up until the last week or so, is because they thought it was a big enough deal that they would force unilateral concessions out of democrats and out of me. they said so. they said the president is so responsible that if we hold our breath and say we are going to threaten default, then h...

And there's no reason why if in fact republicans are serious about wanting to negotiate, want to have a conversation or talk, no reason why you have to have the threat looming over the conversations. i mean, think about it, the only reason that the republicans have held out on negotiations up until last week negotiations up until last week or so, is because they thought it was big enough deal they would force unilateral concessions out of democrats and out of me. they said so. they basically said, you know what, the president is so responsible that if we just hold our breath and say we're goin...

Yes that the budget that the senate has already passed. that vote could take place today and the shut down could be over. and serious negotiations could proceed. now, as soon as congress votes to reopen the government. it has also got to vote to meet our country's commitments and pay our bills. raise the debt ceiling. as reckless as a government shut down is, would be worse. i want to talk about it for a minute. even though people can see and feel the effects of a government shut down there are people that don't believe that default is a real thing. default would not be a big deal.

Eliminate any topic of conversation, and i've shown myself willing to engage all the parties involved, every leader on every issue. >> that applies no matter how long the time frame is on the clean bill they would pass? >> the only thing i will say is that we're not going to pay a ransom for america paying its bills. that's something that should be nonnegotiable, and everybody should agree on that. everybody should say one of the most valuable things we have is america's credit worthiness. this is not something we should even come close to fooling around with. so when i read people saying, no,...