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Was it nsa that brought this to a judge? it's most confusing at this particular time. and throwing out all these innuendos and things that aren't confirmed just further complicates the issue for not only the investigative authorities, but for the american public, and that's ooh an important thing right now. eric: how about the attorney general at the time, loretta lynch. does she have to sign off on this? that's one of the processes where a fisa application goes. >> she's going to be aware of what's going on, particularly in a tice saw application, and i would -- fisa application, and i would ...

You need to go to a judge. so here theoretically, there's a server in trump tower that may be connected or have information about two russian banks x this is all type of some sort of surveillance. so a federal judge, though, has to approve any fisa warrant or order to, you know, wiretap or surveil anything. so what is the process for that? wouldn't one say, well, that's a legal process and not, you know, a political one? >> first of all, eric, there has to be probable cause. what is the probable cause that any agency, whether it be intelligence or law enforcement agency, uses to go to the judg...

What confuses me right now, everything, is i don't -- eric, is i don't understand exactly who applied for the order to intercept the communication if one was applied for, and where it went. the indication is that the first time out of the box it was denied and the second time it was approved. who did it? what agency had the responsibility to do something like that? was it a law enforcement agency? was it somebody in the intelligencing agencies? -- intelligence agencies? and it has to go before a fisa judge if, in fact, it was on that side of the house or a criminal judge to get that kind of au...

Saying they have a lot of money pouring in from russia. so if you have a server in trump tower that the reports say somehow was connected to or communicating with banks, could this have nothing to do with politics? >> it certainly could, eric. it's all conjecture at this point. you don't know. and a lot more information has to be available before, you know, somebody such as myself who has a little bit of experience in this, before we could make a judgment as to where this is coming from. but, yes, if it's a criminal case, it doesn't necessarily have to go to a fisa court, it can go to a federa...

Pointing that out because you happen to be 99 years young, clearly -- you know what? i have to go, but tell me quickly your plan for your 100th birthday, sir. it's coming up november 28th. >> i'm dependent on my children and grandchildren to help me celebrate that, and i don't know their plans yet. but my immediate plans for july are to enter the national outdoor championship races in baton rouge, louisiana, and i hope to do well there. i may meet my 92-year-old competitor in the 100 meters there. we'll see. arthel: mr. orville rogers, 99 years old, 100 november 28th, this year. thank you very...