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♪ ♪ eric: so here's the tweet controversy of the day kicked off in a series from president trump from mar-a-lago this morning. one saying, quote: how low has president obama gone to tap my phones during the very sacred election process? this is nixon watergate, that or a sick guy. let's bring in bill gavin, former assistant director of fbi in new york. bill, always good to see you. first of all, what is your reaction to one president of the united states accusing his predecessor of wiretapping his phones? >> it's most confusing to me, eric, as it is, i imagine, to everybody in the united s...

Everything, and i want to point out quickly that other reports say there has been so far no evidence, no evidence of collusion between the trump campaign and think russian officials, so quickly, bill, how do you think this'll play out? what's the next step? how does it end? >> i think the next step is to back up just a little bit and start doing the process the way it is traditionally done, the way it's always done. if nobody has -- if there's no indicia other than, you know, a political motivation to smear even's name involved, that's -- everybody's name involved, that's one thing. but in ord...

Going to moscow, with them knowing michael flynn, the general sitting with, you know, vladimir putin at that rt dinner and this type of thing, are conversations enough? are visits enough? or do they need, as you say, hard evidence and e-mails of, let's say, financial transactions from russian banks if that indeed happened? mix all that in with maybe contracts or paul hanna fort, how do you get from that to like a criminal or intelligence investigation? >> there has to be a lot more information, eric, to substantiate probable cause. just to have two people talking to each other without knowing ...

Legitimate law enforcement investigation? >> it's just going to have to -- the tbi or whoever is responsible for this investigation, whether it be a senate committee or the fbi -- and that's what's confusing now. nobody knows who's on first base. this is an ab ott and costello thing. they've got to start peeling the on onlayer by layer. -- onion layer by layer. it's most confusing. eric: and you raised an interesting issue that we haven't heard about a lot, a criminal issue. you've got a lot of, apparently, in the past business connections among some of the top trump associates and his consult...

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