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We've got 60 1/2 trillion dollars of debt going to 20 trillion dollars. we've got to slow it down or quit it or we're all going to be in trouble. we're on the road to bankruptcy. >> one thing troubles me. i realize foreign aid for a lot of reasons to keep friends and to try to help develop democracy in certain parts of the world. one thing that bothers me, we can't monitor our own spending here at home. we have so much waste, money going to programs at that don't exist, or going to people who don't even dead people are getting benefits, whatever it is, and always curious to what extent we can ...

We've got 60 1/2 trillion dollars of debt going to 20 trillion dollars. we've got to slow it down or quit it or we're all going to be in trouble. we're on the road to bankruptcy. >> one thing troubles me. i realize foreign aid for a lot of reasons to keep friends and to try to help develop democracy in certain parts of the world. one thing that bothers me, we can't monitor our own spending here at home. we have so much waste, money going to programs at that don't exist, or going to people who don't even dead people are getting benefits, whatever it is, and always curious to what extent we can ...

Shouldn't be done that we don't need. what about the jobs -- are there jobs available for those who go through these programs? >> sometimes. but we don't have any metrics on it so nobody knows how to measure that. oklahoma has a 4.7% unemployment rate so we would like to have people trained for the jobs that are out there. but there is no metric to measure that, except the programs that are state run that have no federal involvement and they are very well run. we have metrics on those. but we have none on the federal -- and as a matter of fact, the workforce investment act requires that you ca...

But in the end, those were two figures of great stature -- at the end of the day, going into a general election, they were confident behind either one of them. >> the clinton/obama -- gingrich and romney very, very different candidates, but the dynamics is the only point i was making a parallel. >> to harold's point, in 2008, on the republican side, john mccain, didn't we have this same moment where rush limbaugh and everybody else said we can't go with john mccain. he's not conservative enough. and the question was, what are you going to do? are you going to vote for barack obama? won't conse...

Problems that don't exist is a specialty among republicans this year. "the washington monthly" put it recently, "the list of policy initiatives launched by republicans to address problems that don't exist keeps growing. gop officials are passing measures to combat voter fraud without instances of actual voter fraud. house republicans voted to eliminate a proposed epa farm dust regulation, despite the fact that the epa has no proposed farm dust regulation. gop officials recently passed a resolution to affirm in god we trust as the national motto, but in god we trust was already the national mot...