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Are anywhere close to wheeling up some winnebago and saying here is all of our nuclear stuff, take it away. i think there is a problem there. and i think the administration might consider doing a little less public posturing on it, get some teams, sit down with the north koreans, put a draft communique. say look this is what we want as an outcome and then try to negotiate something. maybe they won't get 100% but they will at least get some idea of what the north koreans are prepared to do. don't foreget just meeting the president is a big deal for kim jong-un. his dad never did it. his grandfa...

Sorts of different directions. don't foreget, this comes at a time when we also know from the income statistics where middle income families suffered a 2 or $3,000 decline since the recession. bill: the hole is so deep and tax everybody 100%, right? >> don't even talk about that, bill. that --. bill: that would, that would not even get us out of the hole. if it would, i guess maybe only for a short time here. you have to look at every hole and every corner of the country. to try and raise revenue. i think, the question goes, it is fine to talk about this budget proposal and to understand what ...

>> if you're talking about voters, it's the subjective that's most important. it's how people feel. you go back to the '92 campaign and people argue that the recovery -- that the recession, the george h.w. bush recession was already over. but people still felt it wasn't. it's really how people feel that's going to dictate the voting in november, not what's actually happen on the ground which his hard to capture with the statistics. we'll have several months of reports between now and november. it's what happens in september, october, that gives people the final sense of where the economy is mo...