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Where i remember back in 2015, you know, during ebola, trust in governmental health agencies at that point was around 30%. 31st. so it's not unusual in the middle of a health catastrophe for there to be this erosion of trust. i think the biggest issue, though, is just the transparency. there's not enough tests. you just showed that clip saying that we were going to have enough tests. we were promised at least a half a billion tests by this point. there's not enough tests and it's because of the lack of tests we're getting this convoluted guidance. that's bad, but i think we should just be hone...

Joining me now with reaction, joe pollack and democratic strategist back with us. good to see you both. your reaction to some of the rhetoric that was used. a lot of it was over the top. i said it was going to happen. >> well, do some people show up at protests with their own agenda? absolutely. there was a pro-zimmerman rally in texas where a woman showed up with a sign that said racist and proud and that was in the newspaper today. so certainly there are people who show up who behave badly at protests and that's not something you can control for but the bulk of people there are genuinely con...

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>>guest: well, you have a few things. we are probably unusual in that we hire through the downturn. we had more people at the end of 2009 or 2010 because we were conservative and we have always had a long term conservative view. but as you come through a scary period like 2009 for a lot of companies you want to make sure that the economy is growing and you can deliver value. people are just cautious. they see, until they see the economy moving you do not want to invest and reduce your share holder return when you think there is any return. >>neil: obviously, some are. intel is, and g.m. is, so...

Kind of growth that ronald reagan was able to inspire with his tax cuts in the early 1980's. this can be done but it takes discipline and statesmanship instead of the cowardly political pandering that has led to the big spending. >>neil: even reagan not even 18 months into the presidency expressed how tough it was to chop government down to size and he would always fight this war with the bureaucrats, the nameless bureaucrats, who are in all the institutions who protect their feifdoms. and presidents from both parties since have said the same. >>guest: we see it acted out in the states and the...