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Political capital was spent trying to avoid it. there aren't the votes to override, so why bother negotiati negotiating"? in other words, saying let's not talk about it. mr. president, you're going to lose, but just do it, get it over with. don't jack up the coverage of it and make a bigger deal of it. just make it move on. but -- >> yeah, i mean, not make a bigger deal of it? i mean, that's sort of what the president does. he likes to make a big deal of things like this. he wants this to be an issue in 2020. he wants the contrast not only with sort of what might be called squishy republicans ...

China held $321 billion in u.s. debt. now they hold $907 billion in u.s. debt. an increase of 182% in five years. who holds the upper hand in this negotiation. kt macfarland is the former assistant deputy of defense. >> you can't pick a fight with your banker. not only do we owe them a trillion dollars. but every year, every dollar we spend, 50 cents of our dollar is borrowed. the largest lendser is china. not only do we owe them a lot of money, we'll owe them more money going forward. megyn: what do we have to talk to them about. what are we asking for other than please keep lands and don't j...