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And that is one of the mitigating factors that the lawyers are arguing to this jury. don't kill this person, keep her alive. and there are a number of things that they're argue, but one is artwork. this is a talented artist who can bring something to prison life, to people incarcerated and the general public if you want to take it to that point, but another piece of detail they're going to argue to these eight men and four women to spare this life. don't kill her. she's this, this, this and she's an artist. >> ted, we'll stay in close touch with you. let us know what's going on. ted rowlands i...

Worthy of killing. i want to bring in julie christopher, who used to work with -- i beg your pardon, we lost our connection to julie. she was one of the friends of travis alexander who could have given us a feel for what it's like to sit in that courtroom and hear this about her friend. vinnie politan with hln joins us now. you saw him lay out the crime scene in that mock bedroom/bathroom area. vinnie, this is one of those questions, and if you're a defense attorney, you need to weigh exactly what dr. drew is saying. you've got to get the not guilty, but you really, really have to get the, don...

Criticize attorneys in the courtroom because i know what it's like, and you don't know what's going on behind the scenes. but the prosecutor here, he's giving her the opportunity to get sympathy from two jurors -- jenna: because she's crying? >> because she's crying. and yesterday he was much more aggressive when she started crying while she's crying. all she wants to do is get in the hearts of two jurors who say she's guilt, give her life without parole, don't kill her. jenna: so if you were the defense attorney watching her sob, you would say it might not be bad? >> we're allowed to criticiz...