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Especially for playing pacman. >> a small snag in computer marketing has been what is called technophobia. fear of these bloodless little wizards. the manufacturers are trying to overcome it by making them what they call user-friendly. >> isn't that pretty. now what do i do? >> making computers easy enough to use for a beginner, it wasn't always true. people have never encountered this stuff. >> don't shift. >> so there is a great disconnect between the ambitions of the apples and microsofts and the realities of people trying to use these things for the first time. >> right now, if you buy a c...

The manufacturers are trying to overcome it by making them what they call user-friendly. >> isn't that pretty. now what do i do? >> making computers easy enough to use for a beginner, it wasn't always true. people have never encountered this stuff. >> don't shift. >> so there is a great disconnect between the ambitions of the apples and microsofts and the realities of people trying to use these things for the first time. >> right now, if you buy a computer system and you want to solve one of your problems, we immediately throw a big problem right in the middle of you and your problem, which is...

I don't get it. >> well, because when -- i don't see anything that can properly be described as what the president is pursued that is -- >> christian there, is not implicitly racist about calling someone a monarch or socialist. there's no racial involvement there. >> i think if he said it's a little teeny, weany amount of the people, not a small amount, he may be correct, but a teeny, weany amount blame people for different things. i think that they're kind of lost right now with all due respect to our government, we support our government, kind of lost right now. they're coming up with reason...

In fact, new york mayor michael bloomberg already got the conversation started. >> instead of the two people, president obama and governor romney, talking in broad things about they want to make the world a better place. okay, tell us how this is real problem. no matter where you stand on the second amendment, no matter where you stand on guns, we have a right to hear from both of them concretely, not just in general. specifically, what are they going to do about guns? richard kim, nancy giles, harry smith and dorian warren. usually these don't shift public opinion toward gun control and we ju...

Interests are opposes to it. >> that's the theory of the 99%, we used to say when i was an organizer in harlem, have you to two types of power. organized money, organized people. people get organized, they can beat organized money. so i will never be the one to tell people, you can't beat city hall. you can but have you to win it. have you to be in it to win it. >> because interests don't shift. the people shift. the people force the shift in the interests because the interests are never going to shift because they profit from the paralysis. >> right. >> that's the beauty about this particular...