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Professional sports is, again, it turning into the biggest nonissue another big nonissue. because the culture is ready for this. i think this is a lagging indicator not a leading indicator of where we re going. it s so interesting because in the essay that collins wrote, he actually talked about don t ask, don t tell repeal. he explicitly made that parallel. the idea of the intimacy of the barracks or the locker room of these very male, straight sort of homophobic spaces that can t tolerate this kind of thing. and he said, look, actually, they can, right? i thought that was really an interesting comparison to point to these places as the last redoubts of the closet. and i m so happy that we ve arrived at this point. like you said, it s really silly. the fact that 2013 we ve got headlines talking about a guy s come out with his sexuality. but to an extent, the sports can help break down this last frontier, i m happy and he was courageous although it was at ....
> we re talking about the coming out of nba player jason collins. joining me tonight dan savage, the co-founder of the it gets better project. and founder and director of athlete ally, a nonprofit group that works with athletes to combat homophobia. dan, let me begin with you, talk about the significance of today, how big of a deal did this feel like to you? it feels almost as big a deal as the don t ask, don t tell repeal. we ve been told for years that the presence of openly gay people, particularly openly gay men. there s been a lot of out lesbians in the wnba. we ve been told it s different, ....
We re talking about the coming out of nba player jason collins. joining me tonight dan savage, the co-founder of the it gets better project. and founder and director of athlete ally, a nonprofit group that works with athletes to combat homophobia. dan, let me begin with you, talk about the significance of today, how big of a deal did this feel like to you? it feels almost as big a deal as the don t ask, don t tell repeal. we ve been told for years that the presence of openly gay people, particularly openly gay men. there s been a lot of out lesbians in the wnba. we ve been told it s different, that straight men, you know, straight men are very obsessed with being a gay man in a team sport like ....
It turning into the biggest nonissue another big nonissue. because the culture is ready for this. i thinthis is a lagging indicator not a leading indicator of where we re going. it s so interesting because in the essay that collins wrote, he actually talked about don t ask, don t tell repeal. he explicitly made that parallel. the idea of the intimacy of the barracks or the locker room of these very male, straight sort of homophobic spaces that can t tolerate this kind of thing. and he said, look, actually, they can, right? i thought that was really an interesting comparison to point to these places as the last redoubts of the closet. and i m so happy that we ve arrived at this point. like you said, it s really silly. the fact that 2013 we ve got headlines talking about a guy s come out with his sexuality. but to an extent, the sports can help break down this last frontier, i m happy and he was ....
It turning into the biggest nonissue another big nonissue. because the culture is ready for this. i think this is a lagging indicator not a leading indicator of where we re going. it s so interesting because in the essay that collins wrote, he actually talked about don t ask, don t tell repeal. he explicitly made that parallel. the idea of the intimacy of the barracks or the locker room of these very male, straight sort of homophobic spaces that can t tolerate this kind of thing. and he said, look, actually, they can, right? i thought that was really an interesting comparison to point to these places as the last redoubts of the closet. and i m so happy that we ve arrived at this point. like you said, it s really silly. the fact that 2013 we ve got headlines talking about a guy s come out with his sexuality. but to an extent, the sports can help break down this last frontier, i m happy and he was ....