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Want the president to testify. "i'm not going to sit there and let him look like an idiot and you public that transcript because everything leaks in washington and the guys overseas are going to say, i told you he was an idiot, i told you he was a goddamn dumbbell.go what are we dealing with this idiot for?" after that meeting with robert mueller john dowd gave the president the following advice. "don't testify. it's either that or an orange jumpsuit." the president then said, "i'll be a real good witness. you are not a good witness, dowd replied. mr. president, i'm afraid i just can't help yo...

"don't testify. it's either that or an orange jumpsuit." the president then said, "i'll be a real good witness. you are not a good witness, dowd replied. mr. president, i'm afraid i just can't help you." and the next morning john dowd quit and he left an opening on trump's defense team that has since been filled by rudy giuliani. leading off our discussion now, john heilemann, national affairs analyst for nbc news and msnbc. he's also co-host and executive producer of showtime's "the circus." tim o'brien's with us, executive editor of bloomberg opinion. he's the author of "trump nation," a boo...

"washington post" aides calling it crazytown at times paralyzed by the russia investigation and that possible interview with robert mueller. >> i've always wanted to do an interview. >> reporter: woodward describing the president's one time doern john dowd so concerned the president would commit perjury he staged a practice session. that session so rocky, he later told mr. trump, don't testify. it's that or an orange jumpsuit. the book also a remarkable portrait of aides taking extreme measures to block their boss. former economic adviser gary cohen reportedly preventing the president? withdra...

Happening now. breaking news. off the rails. a new book by journalist bob woodward reveals how worried white house staffers are about president trump's erratic behavior and pattern of lying. his chief of staff is quoted as calling the president an idiot and unhinged and warning, quote, we're in crazytown. orange jumpsuit? woodward's book says the president's lawyer, john dowd, rehearsed the potential mueller interview with the president, but it went so badly that donald warned, and i'm quoting now, don't testify. it's either that or an orange jumpsuit. sixth grader. woodward's book also ha...

Slamming the book. sarah huckabee sanders saying, quote, this book is nothing more than fabricated stories many by former disgruntled employees told to make the president look bad but the book is the latest deep dive into the trump white house full of bombshells that reveal top administration officials are worried, deeply worried about the president's behavior. >> hello, bob. >> president trump, how are you? >> reporter: before the release of his new book on the trump white house, entild, fear, bob woodward managed to get the president on the phone. mr. trump's assessment of the woodward book,...