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The troops are controlled at the lowest possible level what the rules of engagement are. you can easily see how this can be -- this tragedy could unfold simply because people aren't smart enough to control their own troops. when you put sophisticated equipment in the hands of people who can just barely use it but can't integrate it into a battlefield operation, this is the kind of thing that happens. it's liable, if not likely to happen again which is why the united states, western countries said don't fly over this area. >> greg, let me ask you. will they try to reconstruct this plane, put it...

That president putin may have been the target the. right now in the ukraine it's just past 1:00 in the morning. there is a scene of true horror on the ground. joining me now are msnbc military analyst colonel jack jacobs, former ntsb investigator greg fife and former american airlines pilot jay rollins. thank you for being here. >> good evening, reverend. >> colonel jacobs, let me start with i don't uh. nbc news says intelligence officials have determined this was a missile. what's your reaction to that? >> almost undoubtedly a missile. we probably know exactly where it came from because we pa...

You didn't do that back in the day. i'm sure dick butkis would have said something on the field. >> like his name. >> if you you are black and you are loud -- >> what is the code word? >> a guy called thug by a lot of bad media and you don't uh -- apologize when people lie. you don't apologize when they say something sincere. he was a sincere player. if he didn't have the aggression he wouldn't have made the play. >> his jersey is the number one selling behind peyton manning. i still think it was for mark -- market cking. i think pete carroll said you have to say you are sorry because you tack...