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Okay, we are moving chess pieces around. i have to do that. if i don't have that base i don't win, yet some of the suburban white voters that moved the 40 seats in congress in the suburbs of philadelphia, we have to get them. so there's no silver bullet, but we're seeing the debates in front of us just all of a sudden say -- >> let me say really quickly, one thing we have to do is we have to begin to talk about the dignity of work. we have to begin to talk about these issues that aren't -- they're not whitishe issues or black issues in any particular way. when we talk about justice it touches ...

Itself. megan rapinoe really leading the way by making this fight so public and taking it on so publicly, it was a huge risk. because if you don't win, you look really, really bad. >> right. you have to back it up, john. and she did. and i think when people look back on this the way they look back -- we look back on 1999 and what that meant 20 years ago, i think they will talk exactly about that. and she will be in the same conversation with those other athletes like billie jean king or move huhammad ali. who had -- representing the red, white, and blue. and what does she do? blows the doors o...

Then he was very ambitious. they were all ambitious. you can't be a leader without being ambitious. but even then his ambition was for the greater good. he said i have this peculiar ambition, i'd like it to be such that i can be able to win the esteem of my fellow man by being worthy of their esteem. but then he says but i'm going to warn you that if i don't win, i'm going to try and try again. in fact, i think i'll try five or six times and then i might be disgraced and not try again. so he had perseverance, he had that ambition even then to want to make a difference in people's lives, and he...

About. >> do you think you need, if you win the nomination, to have a female vp? >> i think it would be great to have a female vp. if i don't win, it would be great to have a female president. but the question is whose issues are best prepared in their wheelhouse? they have demonstrated they know how to deal with them? >> would you consider not having a woman as vp? >> look, here's the first thing about being a vp. i've learned. and that is that in today's environment, there's so much a president has on his or her plate, they need someone they completely trust, that they're simpatico with, the...

>> i think it would be great to have a female vp. if i don't win, it's great to have a female president. the question is whose issues are best prepared in their wheel house. they demonstrated they know how to deal with them. >> would you consider not having a woman as vp? >> here's the first thing about having a vp, i've learned. in today's environment there's so much a president has on his or her plate, they need someone they completely trust, have the same approach, political approach and you can delegate significant authority. the president when he delegated authority from the moon shot to ...