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And i've heard or i've seen reported that it was your idea. >> oh, i would not take credit for it. i think it was a mutually agreed upon venture. but we used to say what happens in talon stays in talon. >> still, mccain's globetrotting is serious business. >> he has a rule you can't have lunch in and dinner in the same continent. i mean, john travels a lot to stay relevant and be able to come back and translate the world. >> traveling with john was great because if the door didn't open, he just started banging on it until it fell. so if we wanted to see somebody and the ambassador or the gener...

We shouldn't be using the personal to really substitute for the political. and as long as i've known him, that's what he's tried to do. >> you bonded over a lot of policy issues, particularly serving the other in the armed services committee. >> yes, we did. one was taking care of our troops, understanding the military strategy in iraq a afghanistan. i had a memorable trip to both countries in 2005. traveling with john was great. because if a door didn't open, he just started banging on it until it fell. so if we wanted to see somebody and the ambassador or the general didn't want us to see th...

I've heard or i've seen reported that it was your idea. >> oh, i would not take credit for it. i think it was a mutually agreed-upon venture. we used to say what happens in talon stays in talon. >> still, mccain globe-trotting is serious business. >> he has a rule, you can't have lunch and dinner in the same continent. i mean, john travels a lot to stay relevant and be able to come back and translate the world. >> traveling with john was great, because if a door didn't open, he just started banging on it until it fell. so if we wanted to see somebody and the ambassador or the general didn't wa...

>> oh, i would not take credit for it. i think it was a mutually agreed-upon venture. we used to say what happens in talon stays in talon. >> still, mccain globe-trotting is serious business. >> he has a rule, you can't have lunch and dinner in the same continent. i mean, john travels a lot to stay relevant and be able to come back and translate the world. >> traveling with john was great, because if a door didn't open, he just started banging on it until it fell. so if we wanted to see somebody and the ambassador or the general didn't want us to see that person, i can guarantee you, after joh...

Na that is completely not true. the notion that there is a door, that there will ever be a door in that wall, that kind of hope and i feel like it's preying on people's emotions, that it's like, oh, you'll feel for that mother and that child. >> right. >> but in the end, door didn't open for you. and so sorry. open for them because i guess god made it open. >> so ironically, the ceo -- i've been in this business for 24 years. i've been covering business. i've never heard of 84 lumber in my life. it's probably now the best known lumber company in the world. >> sure. >> the ceo of that company w...