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Blood for doping purposes, for example? >> absolutely -- that would be banned. >> i'm not trying to agitate you. i'm just trying to make sure your testimony is clear. >> okay. >> all right. >> the whole point of blood doping is to increase the number of red cells in your circulation. the blood transfusions have the advantage of not being detectable. even today we don't have a foolproof method of establishing when an athlete has reinfused their own blood. >> so does that mean that athletes now and cyclists now are transfusing their own blood back into themselves? >> there's no doubt. there's no...

>> you've never used your own blood for doping purposes, for example? >> absolutely -- that would be banned. >> okay. i'm not trying to agitate you. i'm just trying to make sure your testimony is clear. >> okay. >> all right. >> the whole point of blood doping is to increase the number of red cells in your circulation. the blood transfusions have the advantage of not being detectable. even today we don't have a foolproof method of establishing when an athlete has reinfused their own blood. >> so does that mean that athletes now and cyclists now are transfusing their own blood back into themsel...

He was working with mckelly. he said he wasn't doping but helping with the training regular minute. >> when lance started working with him, when he starts working with him, there were allegations about him even then. so the fact he chose to work with that doctor was highly suspicious. >> highly suspicious and came out in the news and lance's story was the same at the time. i'm not working with him for doping purposes. i'm working with him just to train. >> and that was also a brazen move that was very kind of characteristic of lance armstrong. he was working with a doping doct doctor or allege...

That's one of the things he cannot do now, correct? >> correct. >> was he doping during triathalons after his cycling career? is that known? >> i think there have been allegations that he was and he was still working with mckelly ferrari. but his side of the story, lance's side of the story is that he wasn't doping, he was just sort of helping him with the training regimen. >> but that dr. ferrari, when lance started to work with him from your book there were allegations about him even then. the fact he chose to work with that doctor was highly suspicious. >> highly suspicious. it came out in ...

>> correct. >> was he doping during triathalons after his cycling career? is that known? >> i think there have been allegations that he was and he was still working with mckelly ferrari. but his side of the story, lance's side of the story is that he wasn't doping, he was just sort of helping him with the training regimen. >> but that dr. ferrari, when lance started to work with him from your book there were allegations about him even then. the fact he chose to work with that doctor was highly suspicious. >> highly suspicious. it came out in the news. and lance's story was the same at the time...