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He'll exert executive privilege. is that worth it compared to calling cory lewandoski who was involved in one of the incidents of possible obstruction. >> you have to do both. mcgahn is important because of his testimony to the special counsel. remember, this is a political exercise. in this case it is an order to change minds, change public opinion from where it is now by providing more information. the challenge is how they get at more information to advance the case beyond what it is. i heard mueller saying you can't fairly charge the president based on what we found in the investigation. c...

To use this to gather more information. it's been a proceeding to say we believe the president ought to be impeached. now we are talking about a middle ground where it would be an inquiry somewhere above a legislative oversight but somewhere under an impeachment proceeding. >> they don't want to use the impeachment word, the other i word. >> this is the little i with a dot on it. >> the book is about theodore roosevelt. after he left the white house and was called to testify for days on a libel case. >> imagine roosevelt testifying for eight days. we got the transcript. over 3,000 pages from 1...

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Minutes. will he take questions? he didn't say anything out loud about it yesterday. this morning is his first chance. let's bring in david gregory, abby phillips, and jeffrey toobin, cnn chief legal analyst. today we have heard robert mueller say it out loud. that's new. hearing something is always different than reading something. what's also new is that robert mueller said congress said here it is, take it. it's different from what william barr said. >> he did. the magnitude of the president's misconduct comes through differently when you hear it directly from mueller himself, especially si...