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Nightly news, part of the issue is a double iteration partisan media at times and we cover the media looking only at the question of the partisan media and not talking about those doing deeper thought, those who led with the ig report on that day instead of impeachment. >> and can i say that,pbs is not part of market-driven media in the way the other outlets are and that's why i raised that for a very reason. howie: very fair point, cable news drives a loft coverage. >> pbs, i have to push back at that, people think we have such a -- howie: i was talking combined audience, cnn, msnbc and sever...

Partisan, other outlets in nightly news, part of the issue is a double iteration partisan media at times and we cover the media looking only at the question of the partisan media and not talking about those doing deeper thought, those who led with the ig report on that day instead of impeachment. >> and can i say that,pbs is not part of market-driven media in the way the other outlets are and that's why i raised that for a very reason. howie: very fair point, cable news drives a loft coverage. >> pbs, i have to push back at that, people think we have such a -- howie: i was talking combined aud...