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Yeltsin put out a joint statement with ukraine, president zelensky with some promises of more aid including some aid on energy including money that would be used to transition away from the need for russian energy. i'm joined by doug lieu, former u.s. ambassador to nato, former leung in the army, now chair of international defense practices at bgr group. ambassador, i have to ask, so we have a nato leader meeting with putin today as we are in a standoff, between putin and nato. it's awkward. victor oorrbonne is a guy that s sort of generously straddling the west and russia here. how much does ...

So arms control measures, stabilization measures, limits or confidence-building measures having to do with military exercises. these are things that the alliance and the united states would be willing to talk about. but exactly what his game is and why he would start with public maximalist demands we would have to interview him. >> yeah. well, look, at the end of the day, it's all about how rational putin is, and i think we're all trying to figure that out. former nato ambassador, doug lieu, thanks for coming on. >> thank you. up next, the latest from the white house as the president meets w...