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Leave afghanistan. joining us now to discuss, cnn's kaitlan collins and clarissa ward. we also have with us retired lieutenant general douglas loot, former coordinator for afghanistan at the national security council under presidents obama and bush. he's also the former u.s. ambassador to nato. kaitlan, let me start with you at the white house. what are you hearing from the white house about the tone of his speech, which at times seemed rather defiant? >> reporter: it was very defiant, jake. i think actually throughout a lot of that speech, a very defiant and forceful response to some criticis...

Ambassador and retired army lieutenant general, douglas loot. and matthew dowd, founder -- sorry -- of country over party is back with me. still to talk here. and general, you are one of the guests who i stole from my -- my good friend, ayman mohyeldin. who has fantastic guests on. i watch his show and write down all the names and then ask my booking producers to go get them. i did the same with nicolle wallace, which is how i got matthew dowd. you said a thing which is so brilliant about the concentric circles of afghanistan. where you have got the airport in the middle and then outside the a...

Could be extended. >> our troops are supposed to be out by august 31st. even if americans and our afghan allies are still trying to get out, they're going to? >> we're going to do everything in our power to get all americans out and our allies out. >> does that mean troops will stay beyond august 31st if necessary? >> it depends on where we are. and whether we can can ramp the numbers up to 5,000 to 7,000 a day coming out. if that's the case, they'll all be out. >> joining us to talk about this is retired lieutenant douglas loot. he is a former u.s. ambassador to nato and chair of internationa...