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Country with an iron fist. >> there's records that the biden administration is saying hey, your concerns about ukraine becoming a member of nato are premature. it's not going to happen. if it did, it would happen a long time from now. he brought up democracy. all weekend long, i'm thinking why. we understand crimea, how important they were strategically. why go through a possible military cost of personnel and money and then the following financial considerations. what is the main reason, commander, that vladimir putin would want ukraine? >> i think he wants ukraine because it will provide him...

Don't want to look at it because it's painful to look at assault and rape. >> there is a scold of black people because that's the other part. how ironic is it for you this man, the corn bread speech -- >> pound cake. pound cake speech. >> turns out to be this. yeah. the pound cake speech. >> i mean, i think that's what ultimately was part of his down fall is said how can you do that with all these other stories out there? that was part of the stories exposed because people felt it was such -- so much hypocrisy they count deal with it. jelani cobb speaks to that. this is a documentary still tal...

Worked. your thought on that. >> a lot of talk and no action. no deterrence. passive deterrence at best. we've been advocating for active sanctions. it's an act of provocation even before an invasion. why did he wave nord stream 2 pipeline sanctions that congressman dated in the national security of the united states allows putin to build his pipeline in to europe? this was the beginning of this down fall. then we had afghanistan. putin looked at that and thought now is the time. president xi in china is doing the same thing. they have an alliance that we saw play out in the beijing olympics. ...

Show diplomacy, not occasionally say some troops will be moved, that hasn't been verified to try to calm tensions and maybe do another maneuver militarily, pulling troops back from their posture on the border with ukraine, and this continued pressure on putin is critical to have real diplomacy. >> joe, tom freeman wrote in a piece for the "new york times" that for putin there's only one calculation, and he says quote, if i go ahead with a full scale invasion and it goes bad, wrecking russia's economy and resulting in russian soldiers returning home in body bags from a war with fellow slavs, co...

Won the war. senator rubio, what is your take? >> my take is when you deal with someone like vladimir putin it's a balancing act. there are things that responsible leaders have to do avoid escalation. nobody wants them to use nuclear weapons. but sometimes it's encouraging putin to do wrong. i think the president is getting that wrong. he's been dragged by members of his own party in congress to positions with regards to ukraine. i think that existed before the invasion. it was a contributing factor. now our focus should be on doing everything we can to help ukraine defeat russ. putin needs to...