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Givers were thinking when they chose barack obama. certainly he hasn't prooch himself to be somebody who has put all our energies in trying to find a peaceful way to resolve conflicts. i think in this case there are all kinds of things that could and should have been done first. we have not been creative in the use of diplomacy, push for negotiations, get the arab union in there. call on the elders like nelson mandela or jimmy carter. on the democracy movement in egypt or to your knowledge. look -- tunisia or other solutions. >> there was urgency, madea, and we have to get to this. human right...

Americans. i don't see the big downside here. i don't see it as all. if it doesn't go well in the sense that the worst thing that could happen is qaddafi sits on his butt in tripoli and he doesn't get out of there that's the worst case scenario. >> stalemate. >> bill: then you just say all right. we will go up once in a while. we will have the qatar planes go up. french planes go up. not do much. sit off the coast. >> o'reilly, you would have the united states of america stake its credibility on this action and cut and run. >> bill: not running anywhere. keeping them on the carrier. >> two bad...

>> bill: you can go to iraq and walk around. you couldn't do that. >> you can't walk around very much right now. >> bill: let's back to -- >> -- it's hard to engineer another country's liberation. people have to liberate themselves. unfortunately many people get killed in history in liberating themselves. >> bill: would you have been willing to stand by with ralph nader and michael moore and watch those libyans be slaughtered? would you have been willing to do that. >> i have not been standing by. i personally was arrested in the libyan industry for taking down qaddafi's picture. i have been w...

>> bill: impact segment tonight, the group human rights watch heavily invested in making sure people all over the world are not abused. as you may know the u.n. directive allows action against libya in order to protect civilians from qaddafi's goons. joining us from washington the director of the middle east and north african rights. do you support the military action on behalf of the civilians in libya? >> what we support are actions taken by the international community to protect civilians. obviously the international community has used a variety of means to try to do that including military...

There -- reagan went after him and missed him but then we didn't go back. so, just on that alone, just on the terrorism murders alone, the international community should remove qaddafi. >> no. i don't think that that is what human rights watch is advocating and i don't think that's what the u.n. security council is doing. >> bill: if human rights watch would not advocate that and you have a proven terrorist in charge of a nation, committing terrorism, ongoing, why wouldn't human rights, i would say hey, global community, got to get rid of him. >> that is not the appropriate means of, perhaps, ...