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Co-host of the pivot podcast. scott, facebook has obviously weathered plenty of controversy. you think this time, though, is different? >> yeah, let me be clear, though. you know, i've gotten this wrong a lot. i wonder if there's seven or eight lives into their nine lives. but i think specifically in the '80s and '90s mothers against drunk driving rallied together and enforced legislation that would restrict or withhold federal funds for highways. and we saw real -- we saw all the states raise their age limits. i wonder if a lot of moms out there have finally said, okay, i am not going to expe...

>> this has always been the argument, though, of facebook and others is like, look, we're just the -- we're the conduit of information. we're not the ones determining. we can't determine, you know, what's correct, what's true or not in, you know, in bangladesh politics every single day. we are a platform just like the telephone company is a platform. we're not penalizing people for what they're saying on the telephone. does that argument still hold up? i mean, given that they are in the news business now essentially. >> yeah, that's their go-to. the world is what it is, we're just a platform. ...

One-third of election misinformation by cancelling one account. if facebook has the ability to dial up or dial down rage, that just -- that dog won't hunt. this is a company that knows -- that knows -- it's dividing us. that knows it's depressing our teens. it knows it's weaponizing our elections and has the ability to take that rage up or down. so that's absolutely not true. this is not -- the world isn't what it is. the world is what we make of it or, specifically what -- what -- what facebook makes of our world and that world is depression, rage, and a lack of democracy. it is time for this...

Eight lives into their nine lives. but i think they poked the wrong bear here. specifically in the '80s and '90s mothers against drunk driving rallied together and enforced legislation that would restrict or withhold federal funds for highways. and we saw real -- we saw all the states raise their age limits. i wonder if a lot of moms out there have finally said, okay, i am not going to experience the terror of having my child be depressed. and it's clear that they don't care about our children, and they can ramp up or ramp down rage. and i wonder if this is kind of the ninth life here. that mo...