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In syria, and where you have very bad, very extremist people learning to use weaponry, it's of profound concern to the united states. >> also of concern, with just a few days to go now until the start of the olympics in sochi, we know the president said last week that sochi is safe. however, security experts that i've spoken with, people on the ground, they themselves say they wouldn't even go. so what does the intelligence you're seeing indicate? >> well, you know, you very rarely get intelligence on a specific attack before that attack happens. and, of course, you know, both the russians and...

Did with the summer olympics? >> they have twice the police london deployed two years ago. >> for a smaller place. >> they can lock down sochi itself. but they will try and strike -- they can strike further away. vladimir putin mistakes control for security. the heavy hand for some of the better intelligence gathering you need to stop this kind of stuff. >> it is incompetence security state. that's why russia has been hit time and again since 9/11 and even before with multiple terrorist attacks on moscow stations and moscow airports a few weeks ago. the city of volgograd, once known as stalin ...

Correct. it is a tiny fraction. many arrests and few incarcerations. >> thank you. there is a lot more to debate about this. when we come back, security concerns grow ahead of the olympic winter games. just how safe is sochi? a

Matt, how serious is the threat in and around sochi? >> it has been serious for the past 10 or 15 years. we have a separatist movement in the south of russia, predominantly muslim areas. they are not arabs. as russia as -- >> they are muslim. >> they are muslim. they have a group called the easy ma mick -- he was named an al-qaeda affiliate. it is a domestic agenda. they want to strike at the putin regime. the sochi olympic stz prize event for vladimir putin and they will do something to carry it off. >> russia is known for its internal security. in many ways it is a security state and an auth...

That that may not match the reality on the ground. take a listen. >> so, what we're finding is, they're not giving us the full story about what are the threat streams, who do we need to worry about. are those groups, the terrorist groups who have had some success, are they still plotting? you know, there's a missing gap, and you never want that when you go into something i think as important as the olympic games. >> i would not go. and i don't think i would send my family. >> reporter: and defense analysts will tell you that even if the russians are successfully locking down sochi, they cannot...