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Me personally and i think a lot of folks, he said we still work here. people still work at this pentagon and they opened that building up the day after september 11th. people were right back at work at the pentagon to show that the seat of power here in washington, the white house, the capitol building, nobody could shut that down. terrorists hell-bent on attacking america could not shut that down. i think that's important to remember, guys. >> you bring up an interesting point in that story that some people don't maybe remember, and that is donald rumsfeld -- again, this is not a day to talk ...

Were just talking to captain tillman about it, as a pilot you have a remarkable responsibility to your crew and to your aircraft. what were you thinking? because you had figured out before you got to gander that something was under attack. it could have been america, you believed it was terrorists, which means you were in danger, you and your passengers were in danger. tell me about the pilot side of your brain and what it was doing then. >> well, i'm not sure that we thought of that at the moment, and the primary reason is that we weren't seeing any of the images that y'all saw on tv. we didn...