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Above and beyond what we've ever done before and to me that's the difference. >> does being in the middle of a pandemic and one of the great potential economic crises that we have averted by doing something we didn't do in previous down turns, which was we threw some money at the problem and prevented a catastrophic recession, why isn't this a special circumstance and have this debate when the sun is shining? the sun is not shining right now, it's still raining covid. >> so the economy has still got to fight through covid and thank goodness we have vaccines, i think there's current talk about ...

Recovery is in the mid '80s, the average person was on food stamps for six months. today, after four years of the obama recovery, the average person is on food stamps nine months. that tells you all you need to know about how bogus president obama's economic policies are. >> you know, rick, here's the issue. the rate of growth is what we're talking about, growing faster than gdp, we have been through economic down turns, but it is a real explosion in food stamps. should we bring back work requirements? >> look at what's different. everybody wants to blast by the real reason for the extraordina...

And people that are old. but look, the expansion, 18 to 65 area, that doesn't wash. the economy is not the strongest it's ever been. unemployment is down to 6.1%, the recession has been over for five years, we need to peel back the number of people on food stamps. >> john, to michael's point, we've been through economic downturns before, had food stamp usage. we want to help women and children and the destitute and poor. we are talking about able bodied people that don't have children. we didn't see that trend in prior recessions, john. >> i side with mike, you want to grow the economy with pe...

They give you literally whether it's the government cheese, to the tax return, to whatever benefit, whatever entitlement, whatever program. now, let me tell you -- >> -- hang on. this is not limited -- this is not limited to blacks. but it's even more felt in a community that they feel ownership of and it's power and control and when you break that, you threaten their existence. >> sean: all right. i want to go deeper into this because i want some answers why do you think, when we come back, 90% of the black vote goes to the democratic party. i want your thoughts on president obama, the econom...

Whether it's the government cheese, to the tax return, to whatever benefit, whatever entitlement, whatever program. now, let me tell you -- >> -- hang on. this is not limited -- this is not limited to blacks. but it's even more felt in a community that they feel ownership of and it's power and control and when you break that, you threaten their existence. >> sean: all right. i want to go deeper into this because i want some answers why do you think, when we come back, 90% of the black vote goes to the democratic party. i want your thoughts on president obama, the economy, black america, they a...