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The russians have been shipping across the border. and, yes, those missile launchers. so now, however, it appears that there is some intelligence that points to the possibility that a russian soldier or soldiers themselves could have actually pulled the trigger. or at least, at the very least, the command to shoot down that plane, whether they knew it was an airliner or not, appears it may have come from some kind of russian commander, melissa. >> so, jim, let me ask you a bit more about that. so is the question then about russian culpability primarily one of how proximate the relationship is,...

For that matter. because he's culpable. he does support those rebels. instead of saying fine, russia is involved one way or another. i agree, they did not -- i mean, it's hard to imagine, and we actually know from transcripts that they did not give the direct order that the rebels actually did think of themselves as the heroes, when they shot down the plane. but then they decided to dial it back. >> this is how the evidence is beginning to come back. >> to dial it down when they found out there actually was a passenger plane. but putin didn't come out right away, they didn't go on your show, e...

Jim, about the building of a case of the culpability of the russian state and of vladimir putin in particular. we want to take a moment and listen to our ambassador to the u.n., samantha power doing some of that. >> early thursday, an sa-11 system was reported by a western reporter and separatists were spotted hours before the incident with an sa-11 system at a location close to the site where the plane came down. >> is there actual confusion about what happened or is this just about building the case? >> i think that everybody is in agreement that it was russian separatists, except the separa...

And against america which claims to have defeated america and that worked for the internal politics. >> i agree with hillary. i would not observe putin from playing the victim but bully victim saying the united states did that to us and we cannot do it back to the whole world. if somebody is a bully, you do not respond this way. he's worse. i think actually today with what's happened now, i don't know if it's a turning back and trying to end this crisis. i think there was a window of opportunity. six months we've been talking about it on this show. they was dmrom has that could have been used ...

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