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Anonymity. >> joining us, joel brenner who served as inspector general of the national security agency under president bush. he was head of u.s. intelligence from 2006 to 2009, senior research foal at mit center for international studies. thank you very much for joining us tonight. i want your reaction to what the president said about the whistle-blower. >> well, it gets curiouser and curiouser, lawrence. jim jordan, trying to think of a nice way to say this. the statute is very clear. it says the inspector general shall not disclose the identity of the whistle-blower. there are only a couple ...

Downward spiraling scoff law. rick and jonathan, i know anyone who knows george will knows what it takes to push him to that point, especially for republicans to have pushed him to that point. rick, go ahead. >> it's like, you know, don't make george will angry. lawrence, the point you highlighted in that quote from george, this is a party that has to learn a hard, sharp lesson. it is not going to learn unless there's pain involved at this point. it needs a sharp smack. >> jonathan, what george will is saying, he doesn't think they're going to learn it if they lose a close one. if they were to...

Well, now we have the direct proof of it, and so in the face of the evidence, the administration is basically wanting to attack the whistle-blower's motives and move the discussion away from what the president and his people actually did and try to turn this into a political question, well, this man must have been against us. saying, by the way, against the government, he's done something against the country, that's not true. the whistle-blower has done exactly what the congress provided that people in his or her position should do, and the ig has protected that identity. that's the way the la...