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Legal assistance lawyers paula jones, and her sexual harassment suit against, and sitting president, donald -- bill clinton in the 1990s. can i get your reaction to this document, in terms of laying out the case, and establishing the motive, or to have reason to subpoena, and speak on the documents that they are seeking? >> >> my reaction was guilty, guilty, guilty, on all counts. this is a draft indictment. in time, they still have to contain the evidence, it lays out the different ways, in which i think, and hope, that the justice department, someday, has the judge in california demanded, at...

It was a decision to let a violent mob continue to attack the capitol on the off-chance that it might satisfy his desire to stay in power. >> so, john dean, does that strengthen a potential criminal case against the former president and perhaps increase the likelihood that the justice department will go in that direction? >> it depends on upon the case they seek to make. the case i think they should make is seditious conspiracy. the case i think they have made and it's pretty clear in this added to it, is conspiracy to defraud the united states. 18 usc-371, which happens to be the statute that...

It wasn't just laziness or, you know, a lack of attention or not a failure to understand what the constitution required him to do in that crucial moment. it was a decision to let a violent mob continue to attack the capitol on the off-chance that it might satisfy his desire to stay in power. >> so, john dean, does that strengthen a potential criminal case against the former president and perhaps increase the likelihood that the justice department will go in that direction? >> it depends on upon the case they seek to make. the case i think they should make is seditious conspiracy. the case i th...

And i think that there might be an examination of the public record of how these facts were communicated to family and to the media. >> jim cavanaugh, let's talk first about the credibility issue here that this community is facing and the country really is facing when it comes to the way in which these facts or misnomers have trickled out. >> yeah, no there is no credibility left with the state police statements here because it has just trickled out as people don't exist, everything is wrong, the time line is broken, new facts every day. so that is gone. it is gone with the community and i thi...

Because they would check the box unethi unethical and move on to the next question. >> giuliani will argue the president doesn't pay him for legal services. but his argument is he can get paid from others. where it is snilg >> that's the question. there was a draft indictment against giuliani that was created recently just as an exercise by a couple of former prosecutors, and among the charges that they think could be possible are conspiracy to commit bribery, conspiracy to defraud the united states and also contempt of congress. so there's a lot out there. i think what we see evidence of so f...